4 Responses to “From Our Letters From The Editor Page”

1. Bill S Says:
   January 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 am

   I don’t see how you proved HIS point. Your entire e-mail went in one ear and out the other. You described several horrific hate crimes, and he just shrugged them off  and gave you a glib response that serves to prove YOUR point-namely, that he’s a jackass.
   And if what you wrote is an example of the type of mail he’s been getting, then you can bet he’s exaggerating about how bad it is. Remember when Sally Kern claimed to be getting death threats for her stupid remarks? Wingnuts cry wolf all the time.
   With so many of them now singing the "Gays are the REAL haters" song, I find myself wondering, what, honestly, is the reaction we’re supposed to have? I mean, they had to know that if Prop 8 passed, we’d be pissed, right? They had to know that working to force 18,000 couples to get a divorce and denying countless others the option of marriage would leave them feeling unfairly maligned, right? 
   So now they’re whining about how the gays are being so MEAN to them. Boo freakin’ hoo. One guy breaks a styrofoam cross and they scream bloody murder. 18,000 people face the possibility of having their marriage licenses shredded and they don’t give a flying rat’s ass. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were fighting for the chance to stand at the doors of those couples, rip their licence up up in front of them, and dance around going "Neener neener neener!"

2. Bruce Says:
   January 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 am

   With so many of them now singing the "Gays are the REAL haters" song, I find myself wondering, what, honestly, is the reaction we’re supposed to have? I mean, they had to know that if Prop 8 passed, we’d be pissed, right?

   But look at that.  Really look at it.  They’re telling you that they can’t see a human being when they look at a gay person.  No, we’re not supposed to get really angry when they put a knife into our love lives, because we don’t have love lives.  Homosexuals don’t love, they just have sex.  As Orson Scott Card puts it, we are just playing at house.  And even the sex we have isn’t really sex.  Not the way whole humans have sex.  We just rut like animals.  We don’t even desire like they do. And on top of all that, we hate ourselves.  We are incapable of whole hearted human love, the sex we have is squalid, unfulfilling, and makes us feel dirty.  Deep down inside, we all want to be saved from our horrible addiction to homosexual sex.

   So they don’t think they took anything really that important away from us.  It certainly isn’t important to us.  And since we don’t love, don’t even really desire, and secretly wish we weren’t homosexual anymore, the only possible thing we can be fighting for is political gain.  That’s all the gay rights movement is about.  And the only thing proposition 8 was to homosexuals was a political fight over social recognition and benefits. And since we lost the vote we are just being sore loosers.  They didn’t take anything away from us, so our anger only proves that we are hateful.

   That’s the thinking.  When you see a devoted, loving, same sex couple walking hand in hand down the street, what they see is two homosexuals pretending to be something they cannot possibly be.  They see no difference between them and Larry Craig blowing anonymous strangers in bathroom stalls.  So our anger is way out of proportion to the injury.  They didn’t take the possibility of love away from us.  They merely refuse to help us pretend to be something we are not, and in the process drag down the wholeness and sacredness of love for them.  And for that we got angry.  Which only proves how hateful we are.  That really is the thinking.

   Here’s mine: I am perfectly willing to treat you with the same regard you treat me.  Equality. 

3. Bruce Says:
   January 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm

   Ironically enough, just after I replied I read this on Andrew Sullivan’s blog…

   Joe Carter responds to my post:

   Extending the exact same benefits is not “codifying inequality.” But for Sullivan, et al., it is not about benefits but about forcing the acceptance of gay sex as “normal” and equal to heterosexual sex. This is an absurd reason and nothing the government should be involved in.

   Actually, it is about accepting gay love and commitment as indistinguishable in moral worth and social status as straight love. That’s all. Civil marriage is not about sex as such, as any straight couple will tell you. You can have lots of sex without marriage. And you can have a marriage without much or any sex. But you cannot have a meaningful marriage without love and commitment. Only one tiny sliver of humanity is currently and deliberately prevented from having such love and commitment recognized under the law: homosexuals. That’s the only reason anyone is having this discussion.

   But…once again…note that.  Carter makes the issue sex.  That’s all he sees in this struggle that motivates teh gays.  It’s all we want.   Homosexuals don’t love, they just have sex.  Sullivan corrects him on it, when he should be slamming him back in the face with it.  Carter is a bigot.  He may claim, rhetorically, to favor civil unions, but he is still a bigot.  He cannot see the people for the homosexuals, or he wouldn’t have put it the way he did. 

   To say our enemies are obsessed with sex is to miss it slightly.  They focus on sex because they have reduced gay people in their minds to the level of rutting animals.  Sex is what they focus on when the look at us, because sex is all they see us as being interested in.  They don’t see any of the higher emotions heterosexuals normally associate with and nurture along with sexual desire, because they know we are not capable of feeling any of that.  We just rut.  The bonds of love between a same sex couple could be in plain view right in front of their noses and they’ll just keep telling themselves that couple is only pretending to feel what normal people feel.  They may even feel sorry for them because their lives are obviously so empty.  But they won’t see the love, they won’t see the humanity in that same sex couple because their prejudices insist it isn’t there.  That’s how bigots think.

   Time and again you hear them bellyaching that we call them bigots in order to shut down discussion.  But if the word has any meaning at all, it fits them perfectly.  They are bigots.  Calling them that isn’t calling them names.  It’s stating a fact.

4. Bob C Says:
   January 3rd, 2009 at 7:29 pm

   It never ceases to amaze me.
   But here is just ONE of my attitudes and ideas about it: Lets say that we ARE only about the filthy dirty sodomite rutting like animals sex. OK, fine, sounds good to me! If there is no love involved, then a big "whatever". Does that STILL justify denying us equal rights? Does that STILL justify using political and constitutional force to KEEP us from getting married (Or simply existing?)?
   Justin Temberlake and Britney Spears.
   However, WE as a "culture", we the faggots, when it really comes right down to the ‘love and marriage’ issue. They CANNOT stop us from loving each other, and from having loving and mutually fulfilling relationships. I personally do not need the churches or the states approval and paper-work validation of MY relationships. However there IS a principle at stake here, and as Bruce has pointed out, it is about staking our claim as humans with absolutely EQUAL rights and respect, and freedom to live love and work (And pay taxes) just like everyone else.
   These religious supremacists have been played, and played hard by the likes of Karl Rove. And they are too dumb to know it.

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